Correcting The Record About Spencer And His “Place” On The Right at The Remnant:

Correcting The Record About Spencer And His “Place” On The Right at The Remnant:

Laramie Hirsch: I think the author misunderstands what the Alt-Right is. The idea of the Intellectual Alternative Right is a concept thought of after the re-election of Barack Obama. It is an alternative to the moderate-sell-out brand that McCain embodies. Furthermore, the term “Alt-Right” is a taxonomic designation, encompassing the racists, sure. However, this umbrella term also encompasses traditionalists and even monarchists. Spenser’s ethnocentric brand is just one flavor in this group on the right side of the political spectrum.

Jesse Russell: Hello LH, I agree with your assessment, but I used the term Alt Right because Spencer uses the term himself to identify his movement, and the Southern Baptists were clearly thinking of Spencer when they condemned the Alt Right.

Laramie Hirsch: Yes, that he does. Spencer really tries to market his brand when he can. He obviously wants to corner the market by claiming a trend.

It’s unfortunate the Southern Baptists were also unable to make the distinctions I’m pointing out. But most people, particularly the critics, don’t understand what the Intellectual Alternative Right is. So, the Left and the moderates who unwittingly support them (like the S. Baptists) will develop only a knee-jerk emotional response to the phenomenon. But seeing as how one characteristic among those on the Alt-Right is “I don’t care what you call me anymore,” I imagine the movement will not only continue, but even grow to attract more disaffected people on the Right.

Remnant Moderator: As the author notes, that the designation is not at all well-defined anymore, and his point Is to warn against the alt-right as it’s now generally defined in the wake of the last presidential election.

Laramie Hirsch: I understand. I truly do. I do not know if Dr. Russel participates in the comments section, but I would like to gently suggest that his and your disagreement is actually with an ethnocentric faction called the Alt-White. The Alternative Intellectual Right is simply a current that stems from an idea that paleoconservative political philosopher named Paul Gottfried said in 2008:

“We are part of an attempt to put together an independent intellectual Right, one that exists without movement establishment funding and one that our opponents would be delighted not to have to deal with. Our group is also full of young thinkers and activists, and if there is to be an independent Right, our group will have to become its leaders.”

Remnant Moderator: You might be right—before Hillary Clinton panned it, I had never even heard of it. But if you are correct, then I would suggest that the alt right has done a pretty poor job defending itself. She was able to pin neo-Nazi, Ku Klux Klan, racist onto the Alt Right
in one speech, and now this Spencer character seems to be confirming her caricature . I’d say it’s time to come up with a new name for whatever legitimate aspect there is to this thing

Jesse Russell: I think the problem with the Daily Stormer, which obviously is alluding to Germanic paganism and National Socialism with its title, is that its metaphysical assumptions are fundamentally pagan. A Christian is obligated to be patriotic and exercise loyalty to his or her kin first in the order of charity. However, the problem with Spencer’s Alt Right and the Stormer is that there philosophical principles are contrary to that of Christianity. Also, there is a strong tendency at the Stormer to deride other races and to promote a genuine hatred.

Laramie Hirsch: The Dailystormer is not the de facto Alt-Right source. Myself, I’ve been with this Alt-Right movement since the beginning as the term was being coined. There is no central mother brain or leadership.  I would argue that the earliest popularizer of this phenomenon has been Vox Day at his blog Vox Popoli. He’s not Catholic, but I’ve been reading his material since his early columnist years at World Net Daily.  I wrote the foreword to his book Innocence and Intellect 2001-2005.

Other Alt-Right sources for news analysis have included Ramzpaul, Davis Aurini, Matt Forney, Roosh V, and plenty of others. Most of them deny being Alt-Right–but they fall into the categorization because the term “Alternative Right” serves a taxonomic purpose.  But yes, folks at the Daily Stormer also fall under the Alt-Right umbrella, though they’ve been nicknamed Alt-White since mid-2016. And folks like me who are not ethnocentric white Americans would be pejoratively nicknamed the Alt-Light.

Remnant Moderator: I’m sure thirty-something Jesse Russell will appreciate your snarky jab at old people. Funny stuff!

Laramie Hirsch:  Yes, I do not like the fact that these kinds of semantic clarifications must arise. But that being said, the Left is EXPERT at hijacking reputations, recategorizing groups, and demonizing decent people. And using reason against their hateful tide is fruitless. Dialectic does not get through to either the Left or the moderates who end up inadvertently supporting them. The only thing that seems to have any influence in altering their direction is emotion generated from rhetoric. And that, I think, is what the Right has figured out.

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To add to this topic, Vox Day has come out and stated that Richard Spencer is to the left of most rightwing positions. This implies that Spencer is a fraud, a leftist, and a fake who has hijacked the word “Alt-Right” for his own ends.

Just because Spencer is a white nationalist doesn’t mean he’s right-wing. I’ve heard him argue for socialized medicine before. Vox Day is calling him and Neo-Nazi LARPERS the Fake-Right. Lol!

View this:
https://www.periscope.tv/vo…

And read this:
http://voxday.blogspot.com/…

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