The Alt-Right Is Fractured: Aurini Podcast


Jason Kessler, demonstrating leadership at Charlottesville last August.

Once, just over a year or two ago, there was this phenomenon called the Alt-Right.  Its full and proper name is the Intellectual Alternative Right.  This movement, which actually does not have any leaders, no organization, no offices, or any such thing, was the new form of the Right Wing in the West after the realization that the political and cultural Right had been infiltrated and betrayed by people who possess no right-wing sensibilities whatsoever.  Terminology that come to mind to describe such fakes include neoconservative, RHINO Republicans, Establishment Republicans, or cuckservatives.

Really, the term Alt-Right was and still is taxonomic.  It isn’t, exactly, something you choose to ascribe to.  The designation of being on the Alternative Right depends on your approach to hot-button issues, and how you decide to employ either dialectic or rhetoric in arguments.  So, there is a great swathe of people who fit under the umbrella of The Alt-Right, from regular realist right-wingers, to Birchers, to Catholic monarchists such as myself, and to, yes, white nationalists.  But simply being under this label does not mean you necessarily ascribe to white nationalism.  Nor does it mean you’re a monarchist.  Nor does it mean that you would be a Bircher kind of right-winger.

Now, this new direction the Right began to take was a fresh new momentum that helped propel Donald Trump, as well as many other right-wing European leaders, into power.  The general consensus was that we were going to be unapologetic about our beliefs and ideals, we didn’t care one wit about the names that the Left or their enablers would slap on us, and we would proceed to aggressively confront the Left in new ways.

Davis Aurini

Since then, here in 2018, some on the Alt-Right are beginning to state that the movement is fractured.  You have an Alt-Right…but then you also have something called an Alt-Lite.  This development is discussed on one of Davis Aurini’s latest podcasts, called Thursday Live: The Hegelian Split with Matt Forney & Artistic Layman.

For the first hour of the podcast, Aurini and Matt Forney discuss how it is no coincidence that so many seemingly Alt-Right pundits simultaneously pivoted away from the Alt-Right label, aiming themselves more towards something called civic nationalism.  Lawrence Murray discusses what civic nationalism is in an (archived) article, titled Alt-RINOs, Those Who Incur the Wrath of Kek:

Civic nationalism is magic dirt nationalism. It’s the idea that anyone anywhere can be shoved into the blast furnace of America and made into an American. There’s just something about being here that makes you belong here.

Aurini and his guest discuss how it is no coincidence that so many such as Sefan Molyneux (who cried over Iranian revolts), Paul Joseph Watson, Jack Posobiec and others, pivoted at the same time away from the Alt-Right label, aiming more towards civic nationalism. This appears to be evidence that they were more or less bought out by Alt-Lite corporate sources.

The podcast then goes on to discuss some seemingly viral events, such as Richard Spencer’s “Heilgate.”  Were these events even viral?  Or were they artificially put into the news and boosted for more attention than they would have already gotten?  And so, the question lingers: is it reasonable to think that there is corporate sponsorship for some of these people who were originally considered Alt-Right?  How are these people, for example, getting sponsored on Twitter and Youtube?  Is it mere coincidence that Mike Cernovich is saying the same thing about the Iranian Revolution as Ben Shapiro and Jonah Goldberg?


Riding the Coattails of the Alt-Right

Another thing to consider are those who are struggling to survive in the Alt-Right movement.  These struggling voices are people who are not getting any kind of corporate sponsorship.

Consider, for example, a group within the movement nicknamed Tradthots (or, recently, Alt-Tots).  These are women vloggers who want to hitch a ride on the Alt-Right.  These women who attempt to ride the coattails of the movement cannot get corporate sponsorship.  As a result, they have begun to position themselves into a more extreme form of white nationalism.

During the election, the Alt-Right, it seemed, was getting some sort of corporate funding.  But then, after the Donald Trump victory, it seems as if the money dried up.  So what is a girl going to do without sponsorship?  She’ll become more radical.

Leftist Richard Spencer, who claims to be on the Right, is kicked out of Charlottesville

Now, according to Aurini, tribalism is something that the Alt-Lite WILL NOT discuss.  These people are afraid of being called racist.  They are afraid of being lumped in with white nationalists, such as Richard Spencer–who have not managed to gain any corporate sponsorship, and yet has managed to become the mainstream media’s face of the Alt-Right.  It is a peculiar thing that Spencer is even considered on the Right at all when one considers that his politics are actually left-wing.  He even supports socialized medicine.  And to be honest, insiders consider him “fake-right.”

Even The Remnant Magazine published an article about Richard Spencer by Dr. Jesse Russell, Ph.D, titled Richard Spencer: The Dark Knight of the Alt Right, a Guide for Catholics.  This is unfortunate.  Shortly after the article came out, I had to voice my corrections to Dr. Russell about what the Alt-Right truly was, and why Spencer didn’t figure into the movement.  Comments have been scrubbed off of The Remnant’s site of that article, but I have provided a copy of my combox clarifications below at the end of this piece.

And so now, thanks to coattail riders like Spencer and other “alt-retards” like him, the movement has been demonized in the standard way the Left does.  Moderates, as they always do, shoot their shock troops in the back of the head.   And now, topics on race are carefully handled, and a fear of being labeled racist lingers once more among the Alt-Lite.


“Alt-Lite: It’s Acceptable – Alt-Right: It’s A Ghetto”

Aurini laments the following:

The only place that [tribalism] will be discussed at all is in the Alt-Right Neo-Nazi ghetto. So, you took this nascent movement, and you split it into two extremes. You bifurcated it into a schizophrenic mind. So, the Alt-Right is going the way of the White Nationalists and the Neo-Nazis. It’s a ghetto full of losers who cannot get laid, which is again, why they pushed out Roosh, why they attack the manosphere. They don’t want the men knowing how to get laid or know how to be successful.

The destruction of men’s confidence is the goal.  In the minds of the moderates–and certainly the Left–men on the Right must be reduced to a shadow of themselves so long as they live.  The Alt-Right was a threat, and so it has been injected with poisons, divided, and reduced.  This is how the Left always works.

Outspoken homosexual Milo (right) on the Bill Maher show.

And when it comes to the homosexual infiltration of the Alt-Right–such as the rising star of Milo Yiannopoulos, it’s not a bug, it’s a feature.  He is not a normal man.  And while, yes he does distance himself from the Alt-Right, make no mistake that many equate him with the movement.  This is no accident, as Aurini explains.  “They want broken men.  They want worship of death.  They want [the Alt-Right] to lose.”

According to Aurini’s guest, Matt Forney,  you can put a fork in the Alt-Media, because it’s done:

So what we have right now is an Alt-Media that consists of two groups, by and large. There are the people who are effective. People like Milo, Mike Cernovich, Jack Posobiec–whatever you may think of them and their ideology–they did far more in terms of promoting Trump and nationalism during the election than the personalities you’d consider Alt-Right. They were far more effective. But now they’re totally co-opted.


They’re owned, lock stock and barrel, by corporate money and big money. They’ve gone the way of the Tea Party. The Tea Party was an insurgent movement that started out railing against establishment power like Obamacare and the Republican Party. They tasted success in the 2010 midterm, and then they became the establishment.


The Alt-Lite has gone in the same direction. There’s no difference between Stefan Molyneux and Jonah Goldberg. The Alt-Lite is the new National Review. You can either be on that side, or you can be Alt-Right, “true to your principles,” and be completely ineffective at pushing them. The Alt-Right has done nothing but marginalize itself over the past year with shit like Charlottesville, Spencer getting punched, all these other PR fiascoes, and purity spiraling. That’s how it’s shaking out now.


The Alt-Media is dead. It’s been co-opted. It’s been divided, conquered, and destroyed. It’s a joke.

And so, some will ask: who remains on the Alt-Right other than people who, like piranha, are causing the waters to boil as they swim around in a frenzy, looking to fulfill their narcissistic supply?  Time will tell.  It is arguable that this spirit of struggle against establishment power is not dead, merely under assault.  But, then again, when has the Right not been under assault?  It is nothing new.

Listen to the entire podcast between Aurini and Forney HERE.



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Correcting The Record About Spencer And His “Place” On The Right at The Remnant:

Laramie Hirsch: I think the author misunderstands what the Alt-Right is. The idea of the Intellectual Alternative Right is a concept thought of after the re-election of Barack Obama. It is an alternative to the moderate-sell-out brand that McCain embodies. Furthermore, the term “Alt-Right” is a taxonomic designation, encompassing the racists, sure. However, this umbrella term also encompasses traditionalists and even monarchists. Spenser’s ethnocentric brand is just one flavor in this group on the right side of the political spectrum.

Jesse Russell: Hello LH, I agree with your assessment, but I used the term Alt Right because Spencer uses the term himself to identify his movement, and the Southern Baptists were clearly thinking of Spencer when they condemned the Alt Right.

Laramie Hirsch: Yes, that he does. Spencer really tries to market his brand when he can. He obviously wants to corner the market by claiming a trend.

It’s unfortunate the Southern Baptists were also unable to make the distinctions I’m pointing out. But most people, particularly the critics, don’t understand what the Intellectual Alternative Right is. So, the Left and the moderates who unwittingly support them (like the S. Baptists) will develop only a knee-jerk emotional response to the phenomenon. But seeing as how one characteristic among those on the Alt-Right is “I don’t care what you call me anymore,” I imagine the movement will not only continue, but even grow to attract more disaffected people on the Right.

Remnant Moderator: As the author notes, that the designation is not at all well-defined anymore, and his point Is to warn against the alt-right as it’s now generally defined in the wake of the last presidential election.

Laramie Hirsch: I understand. I truly do. I do not know if Dr. Russel participates in the comments section, but I would like to gently suggest that his and your disagreement is actually with an ethnocentric faction called the Alt-White. The Alternative Intellectual Right is simply a current that stems from an idea that paleoconservative political philosopher named Paul Gottfried said in 2008:

“We are part of an attempt to put together an independent intellectual Right, one that exists without movement establishment funding and one that our opponents would be delighted not to have to deal with. Our group is also full of young thinkers and activists, and if there is to be an independent Right, our group will have to become its leaders.”

Remnant Moderator: You might be right—before Hillary Clinton panned it, I had never even heard of it. But if you are correct, then I would suggest that the alt right has done a pretty poor job defending itself. She was able to pin neo-Nazi, Ku Klux Klan, racist onto the Alt Right
in one speech, and now this Spencer character seems to be confirming her caricature . I’d say it’s time to come up with a new name for whatever legitimate aspect there is to this thing

Jesse Russell: I think the problem with the Daily Stormer, which obviously is alluding to Germanic paganism and National Socialism with its title, is that its metaphysical assumptions are fundamentally pagan. A Christian is obligated to be patriotic and exercise loyalty to his or her kin first in the order of charity. However, the problem with Spencer’s Alt Right and the Stormer is that there philosophical principles are contrary to that of Christianity. Also, there is a strong tendency at the Stormer to deride other races and to promote a genuine hatred.

Laramie Hirsch: The Dailystormer is not the de facto Alt-Right source. Myself, I’ve been with this Alt-Right movement since the beginning as the term was being coined. There is no central mother brain or leadership.  I would argue that the earliest popularizer of this phenomenon has been Vox Day at his blog Vox Popoli. He’s not Catholic, but I’ve been reading his material since his early columnist years at World Net Daily.  I wrote the foreword to his book Innocence and Intellect 2001-2005.

Other Alt-Right sources for news analysis have included Ramzpaul, Davis Aurini, Matt Forney, Roosh V, and plenty of others. Most of them deny being Alt-Right–but they fall into the categorization because the term “Alternative Right” serves a taxonomic purpose.  But yes, folks at the Daily Stormer also fall under the Alt-Right umbrella, though they’ve been nicknamed Alt-White since mid-2016. And folks like me who are not ethnocentric white Americans would be pejoratively nicknamed the Alt-Light.

Remnant Moderator: I’m sure thirty-something Jesse Russell will appreciate your snarky jab at old people. Funny stuff!

Laramie Hirsch:  Yes, I do not like the fact that these kinds of semantic clarifications must arise. But that being said, the Left is EXPERT at hijacking reputations, recategorizing groups, and demonizing decent people. And using reason against their hateful tide is fruitless. Dialectic does not get through to either the Left or the moderates who end up inadvertently supporting them. The only thing that seems to have any influence in altering their direction is emotion generated from rhetoric. And that, I think, is what the Right has figured out.


To add to this topic, Vox Day has come out and stated that Richard Spencer is to the left of most rightwing positions. This implies that Spencer is a fraud, a leftist, and a fake who has hijacked the word “Alt-Right” for his own ends.

Just because Spencer is a white nationalist doesn’t mean he’s right-wing. I’ve heard him argue for socialized medicine before. Vox Day is calling him and Neo-Nazi LARPERS the Fake-Right. Lol!

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One Comment on “The Alt-Right Is Fractured: Aurini Podcast”

  1. I am not that familiar with these “movements”. I also am suspicious when groups of people band together for a particular or multi-pronged concern, and then , someone, somewhere labels the group in a determinate way. (Whether from inside the group or not). Wasn’t there a time when people would coalesce for a common cause without being labeled as one thing or another? Maybe simply for the issue they were protesting, or alternately, fighting for?

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